Penny Wong, Labor’s spokesperson on Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, joined Whitlam Institute Director and former senior UN official, Leanne Smith, to talk about the future of Australia’s place in the world.

Penny discussed issues she raised recently in the Australian Foreign Affairs journal where she argued that ‘Australia needs to be more self-reliant in protecting and promoting our interests’ both in our region and through multilateral cooperation. We also explored our relationships within the Pacific, in our broader region and with both China and the US as well as the importance of a values-based and consistent foreign policy grounded in long-term strategic thinking.